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Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): when the number stops. Shall we start?
Subrata Acharya: Yes, yes, I see the participants coming up. So
Subrata Acharya: good afternoon. Good morning. Wherever you are. I just wanted to welcome you to the National Science Foundation size, Msi Webinar Office hour.
Subrata Acharya: This is going to be run as a officer session. So um, we have our Nsa. Team over here. I will introduce them, and then you can raise your hand or ask your question in the Q. And A. And we'll try to answer it.
Subrata Acharya: Um! As we go along. This is our long session. So please feel free to uh email us post if you have any additional questions, and without further ado I just wanted to introduce uh my, the program officer who is has been leading the program. Ah, generally,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): please go ahead and introduce us. Hello, Hi! Hi! My name is Jenny and I'm. The representative leading for Oac into this program. I've been in this program for two years
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): uh three years. Yeah, I started from the beginning before the problem when the problem was creating. I was creating. Yeah, So welcome everyone. And we're here to answer your questions, and that's not any any questions. There are two ways to ask questions. I think you can tie into Q. A.
And you can also ask them live.
Subrata Acharya: So yeah, let's fire it away. Thank you. Jen. Um. And again, this I'm Sabrata Jen is also here. We'll also have other videos. Join in we see we have a healthy number of participants. We have about two thousand four hundred and twenty-five. Please go ahead and raise your hands, or ask the question in the Q. And A.
Subrata Acharya: And, as always, we always say, the solicitation hasn't changed the deadline is february the tenth
Subrata Acharya: ah, two thousand and twenty-three for this cycle of why twenty three. So please refer to the solicitation which is very detailed regarding participation, eligibility as well as collaborative as well as resubmissions. So with that, let's go ahead.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): We have a question in the Q. And A. Okay. When Lou, do you want to unmute and ask your question?
Subrata Acharya: Then you Won't.
Subrata Acharya: So the question is, our institution has an active size. Msi demonstration proposal award as the lead institution. Can we build another team and apply another size. Msi demonstration project track as the lead.
Subrata Acharya: Jenny, you want to take that
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): like you cannot be the lee again. But
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): yeah, but you could join as a collaborator. Right? Right good! And Monsieur joining us, you want to.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, hi, Michelle. Uh we have uh so um at Indies we have uh Michelle Rogers, who is a program officer from Si Cns. She's now a um science expert here at size. Um, So we Michelle, we introduce herself. You want to say, Hi!
Michelle Rogers: Sure it all of a sudden decided to update zoom when I tried to doing
Michelle Rogers: um. But Michelle Rogers Ah! As Sobria said, Um, I was a program officer and and Nsf. For two years, and now a science expert, so excited about the size and Msi, and looking forward to talking with all of you
Subrata Acharya: wonderful, and we, the session is being recorded. So, Fred, I had a question. Can participants unmute themselves,
Subrata Acharya: Fred, or as a Do you think participants can unmute themselves.
MEM AV TECH | Asa DeShields: We're currently in a webinar format. So attendees are only ah in. Listen-only mode If you would like for attendees to be able to ask questions I can enable the raise hands, feature and temporarily I need them.
Subrata Acharya: Okay. So um!
Subrata Acharya: Would you be able to do that like? Maybe as we are answering the questions,
Subrata Acharya: are you?
MEM AV TECH | Asa DeShields: Yes, I can do that.
Subrata Acharya: Thank you. So the first question Michelle was from Ah, when the question was, Our institution has an active size. Msi demonstration Project award as lead institution. Can we build another team and apply another size and a side demonstration track as the lead?
Subrata Acharya: Not in this. So if you can take that question, and we can then go to the next Michelle.
Michelle Rogers: I wasn't quite sure when you say they are, they have a size. Msi Demonstration Project.
Subrata Acharya: Yes,
Michelle Rogers: so I believe, according to the solicitation, they can't have two in the same track.
Subrata Acharya: They can participate. I don't think they can be the lead.
Subrata Acharya: Yeah. So basically like, you know, not in the same track.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, not in the same track. And again, if you have additional questions, please put it in as we figure out the unmute.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Yeah, And I also show some Faq questions in case where we're waiting for no questions.
It's It's it.
Subrata Acharya: Jen, you want to go ahead. Go with. Go through that. Maybe as we are waiting for questions.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Okay? Um. The first one is eligibility, right? What kind of the organization allowed to submit proposals. This has slice for me, she so she knows where I can't be that which is nice. So uh, okay, and uh any kind of universities uh
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): two or four years college can apply. But we do have a limitation for the League institution. It cannot have any size, Research Grant
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): within the last five years.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): So for twenty twenty,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): so your previous one will be two thousand and eighteen bye,
Michelle Rogers: and by by size funding we mean size, core. So that does not include all of the special programs that we have. So it doesn't include an eager
Michelle Rogers: or a cri, or some sort of special um solicitation. This is size core funding over the last five years.
Subrata Acharya: Okay, we thank you, Fred, And so for enabling the mute unmute we do have Keith's Gosha right? Please unmute and ask you a question.
Kinnis Gosha: Okay, Um. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Just want to confirm. Does Does the eir program count as core.
Kinnis Gosha: No, no, it does not so, and it's a size also. Eir is out of Oh, I it's a lot of accuracy that's out of o I A. It's not even though you were on a size panel. If you got funded under size
Michelle Rogers: on the Hpc. You up the Hpc. You eir it's not considered. It's not funded by size,
Kinnis Gosha: so it's not that cnn or like It's not. A yeah, it's a Oh, I a the office of integrated activities,
Michelle Rogers: and I know It's hard to understand it from the outside, looking in.
Kinnis Gosha: But you know
Michelle Rogers: we are. So. We are looking specifically
Michelle Rogers: under size, so that Cns Ccf or um Satsi is included. Um,
Michelle Rogers: Those specific programs.
Kinnis Gosha: That's why it
Subrata Acharya: perfect. Thank you. We do have a question from Shaquille up there. You want to ask your question.
Oh, we can re on a question.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Yes, we applied last year, and we have been talking about our pending proposal, so we discuss here. Now you shouldn't discuss your proposal yet.
Subrata Acharya: So um! I think we can do it
Subrata Acharya: one on one uh that will be better with the program offices.
Subrata Acharya: Wonderful. The next question is, uh,
Subrata Acharya: how is impact measured? This is Theo crowd. Great question. I have been in the Cs. Space as a student grad student for over a decade, and I have not seen any chambers
Subrata Acharya: will let my co-program officers co-leads take a stab at it.
Subrata Acharya: How is impact measured?
Subrata Acharya: Maybe we can stick to the size, Msi solicitation, and see how we intend for impact to be measured. Michelle, you want to start us up,
Michelle Rogers: so you establish what it is that you think falls under the general criteria.
Michelle Rogers: I am
Michelle Rogers: intellectual merit and broader impacts. So you should be able to identify how you think you will measure impact. Now this solicitation is about is specifically about supporting the development of these institutions so
Michelle Rogers: depending on which track you're in,
Michelle Rogers: you're looking. The The impact will be on whatever the one of those tracks. And I wanted to pull up those tracks which every one of those that you're looking to measure.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Okay, let me go to the page page for the check. So
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): yes, so, Theo, you might. You might be referring to, and you can add this if you want, you might be referring
Michelle Rogers: broader impacts. Um! And and yes, that is, that is something that it does. Take a it's a longer timeframe, a time time horizon, I should say, to be able to demonstrate impact. But part of the reason why you've seen some emerging
Michelle Rogers: types of different types of funding mechanisms
Michelle Rogers: is that
Michelle Rogers: being able to demonstrate impact is much more difficult than we think than people originally think.
Michelle Rogers: So, Jen. Did you want to bring up the solicitation?
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): So I'm station, or this is a four or three categories. I thought, this is a
Michelle Rogers: okay,
Michelle Rogers: yeah, either way, either way, showing those categories
Michelle Rogers: in thread. One
Michelle Rogers: we're looking at the capacity building at that institution or those collection of institutions. So you need to be able to demonstrate in those institutions. How are you expanding the research capacity in thread. Number two. It's about what research are you demonstrating in this relationship that you're establishing
Michelle Rogers: Thread Number three?
Michelle Rogers: You're establishing partnerships that you that you may have started. They may in a baby in an infant stage, but you want to expand upon them. And so in those different threads we're looking at. How can we? How can you demonstrate
Michelle Rogers: that you will have impact on those three different things? That's what size Msi is about to do? Is is aimed at doing, and it's aimed at doing it at minority-serving institutions, so those include, you know Hbc. Use Hsi and tribal colleges,
Subrata Acharya: yes, and I think just the last thing I would like to add to this is like the
Subrata Acharya: as program officers. We are not as conversant with your jurisdiction department with the needs of your uh institution uh, with the needs of your faculty, or even the needs of the lead. P. I.
Subrata Acharya: So I think that fifteen pages, if you can justify the need.
Subrata Acharya: Now we are not looking for like longer-term sustainability, but definitely the impact of how it
Subrata Acharya: can affect research, capacity, building how it can affect curricular capacity building how it can affect collaborative capacity building, how it can impact broadening participation in the student base in the faculty base, and you don't have to do all of them. I'm just saying these are the things which have worked, and
Subrata Acharya: uh and and if it is feasible to do in the timeline is something we also in uh discuss that. And if the budget is justified, so these are the things which uh please keep in mind. Um. And if if if you if you have, if you need one on one on a particular topic area, you want to see uh, we would be happy to do that. This program is in the third iteration. So it's a pretty new program. So you know, we definitely take your comments about. I have not seen changes, because we haven't not seen changes.
We anticipate
Subrata Acharya: the current. Award groups are making those changes. Uh so uh you will have these slides uh after the Webinar. But if you look at the awards sizes and it's public data, you could see, like, you know, those jurisdictions have received those fundings, and Michelle. Maybe you can point us to fy twenty and twenty-one. How many awards we have funded, because that might
Subrata Acharya: lead it to
Subrata Acharya: some of the impact, because we depend heavily on the investigators and the institution to enable those change. We are the seed in that.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Thanks here for the question. And if you have further questions, please. Ah include it in the chat. Yeah, we have three more new questions. Do you want to answer this?
Subrata Acharya: Yes, let's take the next one. I have a question on eligibility. This is from as check Zoo. Please forgive me if I haven't read it right. The only size Four project my Institute received before has a starting date of
Subrata Acharya: September, the twentieth eighteen, and the project has ended after four years. Are we eligible to apply for this program?
Subrata Acharya: The solicitation states that
Subrata Acharya: within the five years
Michelle Rogers: you
Subrata Acharya: so Ah, technically, if there is no no first extensions, if there is, you need to verify with Nsfdga to make sure that the end date is correct.
Subrata Acharya: Um! We have allowed proposals, and i'm talking about other programs where we let it review, and then, if the eligibility is meant. What can be done so that five Year meeting is something you need to make sure it's verified. Michelle, You want to jump in, and then, Jen, you also, Michelle,
Michelle Rogers: sure that is you. That's the answer that I was gonna give. You just need to check with Dga
Michelle Rogers: that because this deadline is February that they consider the
Michelle Rogers: the five years to have been surpassed.
Michelle Rogers: So that that is a Dga question, because, even though so, you are, you submitting before you.
Michelle Rogers: Technically, five years have have surpassed, but because five five years have gone by
Michelle Rogers: we're not to September. If your end date is September, the first two thousand and twenty three
Michelle Rogers: may say that it's five years have has not passed, so that's a question that you would take to them.
Subrata Acharya: I always remember the start date you put on your projects.
Subrata Acharya: Yeah, is the date which the Vga would verify for a giant.
Subrata Acharya: But if you have still questions, Nsf. Dga, you know, would be the best person to make sure, because they do that last compliance. If the proposal rises to that, uh, you know, recommendation level,
Subrata Acharya: you are. Jen.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Uh, yes, I think you all I saw that correctly. Yes,
Subrata Acharya: perfect. Thank you. Uh, there is a question about. Could you elaborate more on thread? Three prior success via collaborative projects means success in thread. One and three, two, or just having projects and publications together will qualify.
Michelle Rogers: Yes, you you. This is only this is
Michelle Rogers: as Um
Michelle Rogers: Sabrata has mentioned. This is only the third year that this program is being run. So there's not a lot of institutions that would have success because of us. So if you read completely, I wanted to get the actual text.
Michelle Rogers: Um, we're looking for relationships that you will be building building upon.
Michelle Rogers: I want to get the actual
Michelle Rogers: text, but someone else can go ahead and answer until I get there.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Okay, Um, yes. Um. So basically what she's saying is that as long as you have existing collaboration, that's fine. It doesn't have to be within this program.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): He's,
Subrata Acharya: and always like you know, the question try? A question was also about the impact, right? In fact, it's measured, based on like where you are. So I We would think that investigators would be the best person to
Subrata Acharya: to, to, to assess or present a potential impact. And then the reviewers who come in has,
Subrata Acharya: as as panelists, would be the best person to review. Um. So we we. We rely heavily on your uh expertise. But if you want to see something which has been successful, I was with regards to the back. Um public award search is a great idea. You can search for those awards and see the abstracts to see. We know what has been awarded, and what has been awarded in a particular um area. So that that is a good
Subrata Acharya: you're going to.
Michelle Rogers: So the solicitation highlights that you should have demonstrated prior success via collaborative projects. It doesn't say this solicitation. It just says collaborative projects,
Michelle Rogers: and you should be able to describe how this funding that you're asking for will result in a large-scale transformative impact. V. Of this partnership So if you're going for thread three,
Michelle Rogers: you're trying to demonstrate that bringing together. These five institutions will result in a much bigger and greater impact on our area of interest,
Michelle Rogers: and that we can demonstrate that we've worked together before We've built some foundation together, and we can. We can use this funding to continue and build and broaden what we're doing.
Subrata Acharya: Yep, And so any other additional questions as always, Please put them in to you. I'm not sure you were able to unmute yourself, but I see a question from you which is about
Subrata Acharya: can. Getting a job in the space. Geometric apple and class chief is an example of the job market. Changing the usefulness of research. Um. Artificial intelligence is another example. Industry changes in landscape most quickly and yes, yes, yes, so um. So So impact can be uh education in can be workforce development. Impact can be a community engagement in that can be like an industry from outside. So
Subrata Acharya: yes, to all of them. Uh, we are not prescriptive, and this is across the foundation. Um, J. And Michelle all will agree. But we definitely want to make sure that is it good for the institution? Is the institution going to benefit. And how is it going to leverage this taxpayer dollars, this funding
Subrata Acharya: to apply for the next core, or to apply to come into the pipeline for the core.
Subrata Acharya: Great Great suggestion. But you know what works best for the institution.
Subrata Acharya: Next question is,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Can we do collaboratives with Tc. Use tribal colleges and universities? Hpc. Faculty for applying for this plan. Yes, and they must be believed
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): so you can't write it. If you are a big R. One State school. You cannot write this grant and slap a Hispanic serving institution on, as in
Michelle Rogers: I in name only, they have to take on the majority of the responsibility and the intellectual work
Michelle Rogers: you are. If you are not an Msi, you have to come along as a support.
Michelle Rogers: You can be a co-pi. You can be a collaborator. You can do loads of things, but the Msi must be the lead
Michelle Rogers: figuratively and actually they must be the lead. That also means they should get the majority of the funding.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, and I think that is the whole idea to disseminate uh, diversify the portfolio. So I think, making sure that Sizes I where is the Msi Participation is uh, you know, is driving the project. Uh so um, I think the next one
Subrata Acharya: is from Wendy Wang. Thanks. You seemed I could not on me. Okay, I like to ask a follow up. Okay. My institution has an active size. Mi: Demonstration Director Board.
Subrata Acharya: Can we apply to another track as lead does size, a Msi fall into size five-year restrictions,
Subrata Acharya: so can they do another demonstration project in a different track.
Michelle Rogers: So demonstration projects are thread, too, so you can do a project in thread, one or thread three.
Michelle Rogers: That's the point of having the threads there.
Michelle Rogers: You can only
Michelle Rogers: be the lead in one of the threads. If you're going to apply for an additional award, it has to be in one of the other threads,
Michelle Rogers: or
Michelle Rogers: if you want to apply in the demonstration project. Someone else has has to be the lead,
Michelle Rogers: and they have another. Msi has to be the lead,
Subrata Acharya: so I think maybe It's a good time, Michelle, to just review one more time. These threads, maybe folks are joining in. So,
Subrata Acharya: jen you want to go up to the to the slide that introduces each thread.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Oh, I see this is a one
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): I I I try to score down, and uh, I don't think I have another one.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): It's not above that. I thought there was one above that. I can't. I don't remember the slide set. This is just a quick summary slide. I do you want me to open up the one we give, the more complex I had to go look for
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Don't. Worry about it, then, if I can, I can share My: Yes, yes, Can you show? Yeah, Let me?
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Yes. So I don't have the slides. But I have the Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes,
Al Kuslikis: Okay.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): And while you're sharing Michelle, we'll take a question from Wayleigh. He has a branch hand raised. Patient's way. Please unmute and ask your question.
Wei Li: That is three and the worst, the collaboration for for each other. But the hour you once decide the Pierre, will you finish that part? Another two inorthy? You may come here to a few months
Wei Li: months for a few more months.
Wei Li: So my question is this:
Wei Li: What was your wrong?
Wei Li: What is your role in the
Wei Li: You're the I it depends. If they're the co-pi
Wei Li: get projected. Just the phone. Another
Wei Li: was just in the size core. Yeah, you're, right? Yes, and also particularly if we put our started date, and for the September
Wei Li: that's a question for Dga. That's what I would say,
Wei Li: and also what's the one number for the ones that we see previously. It's staff on seventeen or staff on.
Wei Li: Yeah. You got to ask Dga about that.
Wei Li: Why do we Thank you very much. So thanks. I know we have to like you interacted earlier also. So the only reason we say move to the Dg. Is because
Wei Li: we don't want that. It goes to the process of panel. You we go through interacting, and then Dga poses and d recommend, So we don't want that situation. So if you verify, they are aware they keep track of it, and we have assigned a you know, Dj. Contacts for every directorate. If you don't find it, please feel free to reach out to one of us, and we'll connect you. But Nsfdg can then
Subrata Acharya: have it in their radar and know that this is the checking, and this is where the start date is beyond that five years period.
Subrata Acharya: Welcome! Thank you. We do have another question. I don't see any raised hands, so please feel free to raise your hands and unmute it. Ask, But the next question is,
Subrata Acharya: Can we use funds for a postdoc through size? Msi:
Michelle Rogers: Yes. So I would suggest you
Michelle Rogers: totally read through this solicitation, because if you have a postdoc, a postdoc management plan is required so definitely. If you are going to propose a postdoc.
Michelle Rogers: You have to have a post stock management plan, so i'll take Read through the solicitation. Um, one more time. Ah! And we can briefly go through that the the tracks. So the first track is for capacity building
Michelle Rogers: in that track. There's a one, a and a one be the
Michelle Rogers: the one A is for enhancement and development, and that
Michelle Rogers: looking to establish partnerships that would allow you to get computing resources in addition to training,
Michelle Rogers: faculty and staff to use those resources. So if you want to use Cloud Bank and things like that are in your area,
Michelle Rogers: one A. Might be for you. It also. They're for funding curricular revisions. So if you want to integrate these new computing facilities, you want to utilize these different software packages and you want to do that in the classroom, then you might want to think about track one. A.
Michelle Rogers: So that is more. If you, if you notice that's more on the
Michelle Rogers: research capacity enhancing for one be the
Michelle Rogers: you're expanding the capacity around a specific project. So you have these interdisciplinary collaborations, and they can be within one cot, one school, and you have different
Michelle Rogers: colleges or departments that are involved, or multiple institutions that are looking to build around a project that you're interested in expanding upon.
Michelle Rogers: So you are looking
Michelle Rogers: to talk to us about how that work will provide this new research opportunity.
Michelle Rogers: Um, This new undergraduate or graduate students enrolled at the Msi's. Okay, So that's
Michelle Rogers: that one. Those research projects
Michelle Rogers: should be collaborative.
Michelle Rogers: Okay, You notice the last line in that says that a single project with a single P. I does not qualify for that track.
Michelle Rogers: Okay. So this track, whether it be more enhancement and development or more research focus, is looking at capacity building and they have the subsequent Ah budget caps and year caps. The second track is demonstration projects. So for this one
Michelle Rogers: you already have a collaboration, or you want to establish a new one with multiple departments or cross emissions that you want to, that You've looked at the size of divisions, and you've looked in these divisions. You see one area, whether it be Ccf Cns or or um sat seated, you find a one of those areas that you want to build upon. You have a project in mind.
Michelle Rogers: You want to do that, you think can be completed for up to three years, for a six hundred K. Then that's the project.
Michelle Rogers: That's the track that you should follow. The last track is talking about research partnerships enhancements. So this thread is looking at. How can we look to establish this collaboration
Michelle Rogers: um, and build capacity at these Msis Um. This team should have had collaborations already, all of the previous ones. They can be used to establish collaboration.
Michelle Rogers: This one We really want the collaboration to have to have some prior success in that. You need this last push to make it large scale, to make it transformative that you that the partnership you have is working well. But you need one last big chunk of money to kind of help you get over that. And so that's what this collaboration
Michelle Rogers: Ah, this thread is about. This is also offering the largest amount of funding. So here we're looking at. You have to demonstrate that you would contribute to that size focused area. So once again, looking at one of those divisions that you can make a impact on, let the research
Michelle Rogers: why the investigators can make an impact in those areas.
Michelle Rogers: As we said before, the goal is that we are providing the foundation, the capacity building, so that your next application is not back in the Msi. Your next application is to the size core because you've gotten your foundation here.
Michelle Rogers: So i'm gonna stop sharing now, and
Michelle Rogers: we can answer more questions.
Subrata Acharya: Yep, thank you, Michelle. We have to you. So you raise your hands. Then you would be able to be unmuted. So please do go ahead.
Theo Crouch: Okay, Can you hear me?
Theo Crouch: Mhm Okay? No, I I think I see what's going on. Um,
Theo Crouch: you all have a number of Cis proposals, our requests for
Theo Crouch: proposals out there,
Theo Crouch: and apparently I was looking at the wrong one.
Theo Crouch: I was looking at that
Theo Crouch: I was looking at um, the one that includes
Theo Crouch: um non-profits.
Theo Crouch: Oh, okay, Because I have a nonprofit and and the question my questions are born from the idea that um I stayed. I i'm older now. I'm in my fifties. I stayed out of school because of what i'm Seeing in the school
Theo Crouch: I grew up. I wasn't really able to learn what I want to learn. And then I was able to.
Theo Crouch: Hopefully, this Isn't taking up your time I was able to when I started school because someone gave me direction that Hey, you should do computer science because color blindness isn't a factor in computer science. But if you're trying to build robots. You can't do that. Color blindness affects you electronically per se.
Theo Crouch: That said I started my computer science back in two thousand and seven, and I've been in the space for a while during that time I started a
Theo Crouch: company and started doing skate events, and I got that up and running in about a month, and I was doing skate events, skateboarding streets, stuff like that, ramps. And the reason i'm saying is because i'm trying to give you a contrast. And then, when I
Theo Crouch: finished by computer science bachelor's degree, then I proceeded to go into a graduate program In In the interim
Theo Crouch: I actually got involved in one of these Nsf programs, which is why I know they exist. I was doing computer science and biology, and that put me on my way into genomics. And now in that
Theo Crouch: I started learning about big data stuff like that, and it's like, Wow, I've never seen this aspect of this, And so I got grounded in that, and I went to grad school, got a and Nsf. Fellowship. So apparently I was doing something right because I got it. It's a fellowship. It funded most of all of my grad school, and then
Theo Crouch: grad School wasn't going toward the big data aspects. They are only grounding themselves in the biology and the chemistry in the even the Cs. Department isn't a whole Cs department, and in that the idea is that I started the company again,
Theo Crouch: and I moved to try to collaborate and make things happen, and part of the reason why I got them as a fellowship. Because I started the organizational campus that addressed big data and computer science cross-disciplinary,
Theo Crouch: stressed all the different disciplines, every discipline at school. But in the meantime, like I said, I started a corporation a nonprofit, and I started proceeding, and it has been going on a decade trying to get things up and running in the community.
Theo Crouch: And that's what I was asking, What are the matrix matrices? Because in the org I've sent students off to get these jobs, and is is likened to the idea of. There's a railroad track in this town, and there's one that's road level, and there's one There's a bridge. There's an overpass that you can drive under it It's kind of like a trick of a trade,
Theo Crouch: so you can either go down this street and get stuck behind the train, or you can go to an industry. Proceed, even if there's a train coming these tricks of the trade. And so in that all these years, me being a computer science technologist per se, i'm a consultant now, making a decent amount of money.
Theo Crouch: I haven't been seeing any changes. School is still the same way. It was when I was a child, and like I said, the only thing that changed was the fact that I saw the Nsf program. Now I jumped into it,
Theo Crouch: and then I ended up in a grad program. I got the Nsf. Fellowship, and now I'm sitting here now, and I saw what you all were talking about at these historically these minority institutions,
Theo Crouch: and i'm at an Hsi. My niece went to A. H. C. B. I. Anyway, that historically black and they're doing it. And it is not computer science in this direction, so that I was looking at the the twenty, two,
Theo Crouch: twenty, two, six hundred and thirty, one solicitation. But you all are talking about the twenty, two, five hundred and eighteen solution.
Michelle Rogers: So there are. So, So in Nsf: we do do.
Michelle Rogers: Things are different a little differently in that. So this is the core research. So this is we're talking about like, How do we make computers work? Whereas what you're interested in
Michelle Rogers: there is a division for that that division they change their name, and they are a division for stem education. So there is a place for you to do to understand. So in any size. There is an education and workforce group. They do work
Michelle Rogers: around broadening participation, and they do work in classes, and you can work with school districts and things like that. So if that's your area of interest, you definitely can go and look up information about education and workforce development.
Michelle Rogers: The other area is the division for their new name is the directorate for stem education, and so they have a division
Michelle Rogers: of equity for excellence in stem education. They have one for graduate education. They have one for learning and formal and informal settings, and then they have one in undergraduate education, and it's there where you'll find where they're trying to impact the actual school system and looking at how it's taught when it's taught, et cetera, et cetera. Here is more about the core. Actual science.
Michelle Rogers: So I think
Theo Crouch: to get what you really want. I think you probably want to go. It used to be Um, yeah, Char, Now it's called Edu. But if you go, and if you go and investigate the director it for stem education, I think that's where you'll get. You'll get excited, and I think you can definitely find places,
Subrata Acharya: and if you have, if you need some us to connect you, please email us, we'll be happy to do that.
Subrata Acharya: Yeah, Um,
Theo Crouch: Thank you. Yeah, it is your email in this.
Theo Crouch: Yeah, we enter the solicitation. You'll see everybody's name, and we will send out the webinar slides. So you will have our email to all attendees. But thank you.
Subrata Acharya: Yeah, you've got the passion.
Subrata Acharya: Yeah,
Subrata Acharya: let's let's go to the next one. Now. Um. So, Wang Lu, Wang, we have the question. I think we did answer it. This is about Does Sisa Messi fall into the size? Five-year restriction?
Subrata Acharya: Um, Yes, it does. And you know, if there is an award in two thousand and eighteen, please make sure that you connect with Nsf. Dga, so that you can have a clear idea about the start date which you want it for the proposal which is due February tenth. Um.
Subrata Acharya: The next question is, Is it okay? If the expertise between two Pis. Ms. Ipi. Anonymous Ipi Overlaps, for example, both pis are robotic experts, and maybe i'll take a stab at it, and then you know Jen and Michelle you could jump in
Subrata Acharya: so. Um, yes, we want the training like it could be a mentor mentee. But we want the Mentor to be a back step like a collaborator, and the mentee who is in the Hp. Cu. Or the Msi to take the lead.
Subrata Acharya: Now the Pr. Who is in the Msi is the one he is going to have a major component of time and effort on budget or deliverables impact and so on. So yes, there should be overlap, there could be overlap. You could initiate it. You could continue it. We do have threads as Michelle Ah! And Gen. Web speaking. Ah! So there's no restriction on it. There is overlap between expertise because we want it to be grown at the em aside.
Subrata Acharya: Um, Jen, take a
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): uh, yes, let me ask actually is the second part. I don't think there will be or complain about the task. The assignment of the two Cobi Api's. You need to justify in your proposal, make it clear who is doing what? But if you have a two people doing the same thing, the who your?
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): And then why do you need two of them, right? So it's not because the expertise of the labs it's very likely it's because the cost overlap by. So make sure you have several tasks with doing what, for instance, if you are in the same area, you can say one of them. One of this person is a mental, nice processor, and the Alabama is mit that. You see that that's a difference. There's no
Subrata Acharya: yeah. And we would initiate like we'd like those ah expansions of research, because the whole idea is to set up this institution or this pi at the institution, so that they can then be competitive enough for the code programs in size. Four, Michelle, You want to add.
Subrata Acharya: Okay, great. I think you all answered it very, very well, wonderful. The next one is from an attendee. The reason why I asked was that received a reviewing. Okay, perfect. I think we did that um perfect. So I I don't see any additional questions. If you have a question, please,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): uh raise your hands or um, and then we can unmute or put your questions in the Q. A. Uh. Meanwhile, uh Jen, would you like to just recap on the frequently ask questions one more time. Okay. So we have. This is our second Fa cues.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Uh, I think several uh already asked five-year eligibility, and how to define within the last five years. All right, so that's why we're looking at your role number If you awards before seventeen.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Then for sure. You're okay. You don't need to check, but if it's eighteen, then it's at a battery you want to check with Dga, but and if it's nineteen, and after you're probably it's meeting the five years already, you don't need to check it out, because that's for sure.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): The only time only thing is that eighteen It could be beginning of eighteen, and I didn't, you know. You need to check that.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): So any questions. Okay, that's another quick coming up. Yes,
Subrata Acharya: okay, wonderful. So the next question is um. There was another quote of the review. The collaboration between two pis is not interdisciplinary. So I think this is a review received by the investigator saying that the collaboration between the two investigators is not interdisciplinary.
Subrata Acharya: Ah! That is why, ah! Then, this kit is confused, or whether the P. I research domain should be different. Okay. So I think we did answer it. So I I don't think it's more like disciplinary similarity or difference. It is more like based on what you're proposing
Subrata Acharya: is the collaboration justified. And if the Msi Api is is the one who is leading the effort. And is the um Is the impacts coming into the Msi and staying in the Msi. Ah, so that's what we intend. Ah, Mission, go ahead.
Michelle Rogers: I was just trying to clear the Q. And A.
Subrata Acharya: Okay. I think it might be helpful if you
Michelle Rogers: that when you finish writing what you're writing to have someone else read it, because it's evident you may. It may be clear to you because you wrote it right so to you. It says it's clear.
Michelle Rogers: We're doing two different things, or it's clear that i'm doing this, and they're doing that. Evidently it was not clear to the reviewers that reviewed your proposal. So you want to have someone else look at it and make sure that they see it being clear
Michelle Rogers: because it's it. Evidently it wasn't clear to them that you were, that you were doing two different things.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, and I think we always like. You know we are limited, or we have. We are limited by the fifteen pages. So we just want you to understand that, you know.
Subrata Acharya: Ah, clarity is something which the panel needs, which even our management needs, and justification of that clarity with data is something which we would really appreciate.
Subrata Acharya: Ah, please keep in mind that, like the information which you provide, is something uh which you are um assessed on. So I know sometimes reviews are not uh can be confusing, as you said, but just just clarify with your uh assigned program officer, and then, you know, make sure that you are addressing them are based on your judgment for the submission or for Peter submission. So
Subrata Acharya: um, we have another Uh,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): uh, we have another question or thanks. So there should be no okay. Okay, We answered it perfect. So uh Jen: you want to continue. I'm: Sorry. Okay, this is the
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): um. Basically uh, it's about transporting because some people they after they get a grind, and they transfer a different university. And this one cannot be transferred with the process.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Some award can go with a pi, but some of it cannot. But this one cannot. This one goes to the Institute, the snuggle with the P. I.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, and I think what we have understood is um. When awards are made in this program a cycleicide program. We would like to make sure that it impacts the institution, and the award has been made based on the collaborations as presented.
Subrata Acharya: Um, So it is in good faith from the investigator team as well as from an asf. So we would like to make sure that there has to be enough justification for a change, because we don't want to fund the same institution ah, multiple times, and want to make sure that
Subrata Acharya: the funding is used or or submitted or shared with, uh appropriate diversity appropriate uh like, you know. Um uh action items in that msi jurisdiction, or in that particular department where the pi resides. So so we take it seriously, so make sure that we are building these collaborations. Those are collaborations which can
Subrata Acharya: stay uh safe, at least until the end of the grant, and then you know, uh, make sure that they are sustainable, or during that period. And you have those collaborations who are all into the project. Um any other questions from the team. We have about ten minutes left in this Webinar. Um,
Subrata Acharya: you have a question. Please raise your hands so you you'd be able to unmute, or you can put your questions in the
Subrata Acharya: the chat before before that. Michelle Jen, Do you have any other inputs you want to share with
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): the team. Um. Before we go off. We need to emphasize that the recording of this. It's available. It's going to be available in a week or so, and so that they can look in a recording if listening. If they miss part of this, they can watch the record,
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): and there's a website, the Webinar website. It's going to be post to the Webinar website.
Subrata Acharya: Yes, yes,
Subrata Acharya: you,
Michelle Rogers: I think we've answered most of the questions that people
Michelle Rogers: have had just encourage you to read through the solicitation Don't read into it.
Michelle Rogers: We look forward to helping build capacity at minority-serving institutions,
Michelle Rogers: historically black colleges and universities, My um Hispanic serving institutions as well as tribal colleges and universities. So if you fit into one of those categories, you are prime to be the lead on and size and Messiah one
Subrata Acharya: and uh, yes, wonderful! And I think what what we would like to emphasize is, we would like board participation from Pacific Islanders uh from like, you know, uh Tc. Use. So if you would like to establish such collaborations from your jurisdiction, or from your stage to another Um, you know the deadline is February tenth, so seven part of it, Maybe not this year. But that is something you can. You can keep in mind um if we get. And again i'm saying this, I know it's being recorded. But
Subrata Acharya: if there are all exemplary proposals, we will, we will like, you know, work our work hard to get all of them funded. So you know, these are things which are very dear to Nsf. For broadening participation, very dear to size.
Subrata Acharya: To make sure we have the right amount of diversity, and we have the things in. So we look forward. We are excited for February tenth. Meanwhile the slides will be shared
Subrata Acharya: the Webinar recording based on like, you know. Um, it might take a week as Jen mentioned, but the slides is something we can quickly share with that Indies. Ah, but to be
Subrata Acharya: we uh we noted that the solicitation is very, very detailed with all this information. So if you have any questions uh me. Michelle or Jen can jump in for a zoom one on one between now and February ten, and we'd be happy to answer any other questions.
Subrata Acharya: Uh we will um give a one a minute or two minutes for you for any last-minute thoughts. But other than that
Subrata Acharya: you know thank you for those who could join in. We appreciate your time, and from the size of Asi team I would like to say that you know we we we cannot wait to read all your wonderful research proposals as they come in February tenth, like, you know,
Subrata Acharya: your five P. M. Local time. Thank you so much.
Michelle Rogers: There's a question.
Subrata Acharya: Okay, Thank you.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Um, I can uh
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): uh. It's a testimonial last year for sure, and I my personal sprat, or we try so hard to get so so many funding, we try to find as many as we can. Yes,
Subrata Acharya: yes, so I think that is the That is the intention over here. This is, as I said, taxpayer dollars. We want to make sure that it's It's disseminated the right way. So we look forward to your submissions. I think we are at at two hundred and fifty five, we can stop the recording.
Subrata Acharya: You have a question as always like, you can always reach out to email, and we will share the slides as app, and then the recording in a week. Thank you.
Juan Jenny Li (NSF/OAC): Yeah, I think that's it
Subrata Acharya: shred. You can stop the recording.
Subrata Acharya: Thank you.