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Nadia El-Masry: Okay, Hello, everyone.

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Nadia El-Masry: Thank you for your interest in the fuse to Source station and for joining the Webinar this afternoon.

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Nadia El-Masry: My name is Nadia Elmastri, and I am a member of the semiconductor working group at Nsf. I work as a program director in the Erc. Program and the Eec diversion.

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Nadia El-Masry: Now I would like to introduce Dr. Anthony Majesky, the division director of Eccs, the electrical communication and cyber System division in the engineering director to give Nsf opening remarks, Tony.

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Tony Maciejewski: Thank you, Nadia. Welcome to everyone. Good afternoon or good morning, depending on where you're at. As Nadia said, My name is Tony Macheevsky and I'm. The division director for electrical communications and cyber systems here within the engineering directorate of Andsf,

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Tony Maciejewski: and on on behalf of all of the five directorates that are involved in the fuse program. I sort of want to welcome all of you

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Tony Maciejewski: um to tell you a little bit about myself. I I am an Ipa, a rotator here at Nsf. And I'm. Just celebrating my first year anniversary, and if any of you out there thinking of rotator positions, I highly recommend it.

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Tony Maciejewski: My home institution is Colorado State University, where I'm. A faculty member of electrical and computer brain community.

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Tony Maciejewski: And prior to coming to. And so I spent nineteen years as a department of electrical and computer engineering. And so, unfortunately, I sort of had a first

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Tony Maciejewski: Ah, but row seat in in in seeing the decrease in interest, in in semiconductor education amongst our students and and Ece Ah departments, and that was kind of disheartening, especially to see many of my colleagues have to shudder their ah clean rooms.

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Tony Maciejewski: So i'm. I'm. Very excited to see this this renaissance of interest in in semiconductor research and education and workforce development and and thrill to be a part of it, and thank you all for being here.

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Tony Maciejewski: Um! The key solicitation is very interesting from another number of points of view. I think one is the fact that it is so multidisciplinary. You know we do have five different directorates working on it, and of course all of our directorates have been supporting research, and in semiconductor field for quite a while our colleagues in

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Tony Maciejewski: in the materials research television, you know, Look at new materials that also when engineering can make into devices, and then our our colleagues and seismic systems out of those devices. And so we have supported research across the technology stack. But what's unique here infuse is that we actually want to

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Tony Maciejewski: fumes all of that together. And and look at co-design across the technology stack. So that's an important part of the

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Tony Maciejewski: the fuse solicitation, as well as the fact that they have the three different topic areas so looking at domain-specific computing looking at heterogeneous integration which is going to be critical to sort of go get more than more scaling,

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and also the focus on materials. Research.

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Tony Maciejewski: Um, Another aspect of fuse. I think that's very important is the focus on workforce development, right? The fact that there has to be a plan for education and workforce development, because, as I mentioned, we do need to show our future students the excitement of working within the semiconductor industry.

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Tony Maciejewski: And finally, um! I think I want to touch on the the importance of the industry participation. You know I am so thankful for our foreign industry partners. We can't do any of this without you with your guidance in terms of what's important, both in terms of research, directions and your workforce development needs.

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Tony Maciejewski: So thank you very much for being part of it, and I guess, thanks to all of you for for being a private sector like I said, i'm loving to see this renaissance and interest in the semiconductor industry. So thank you all.

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Nadia El-Masry: Thank you, Tony. Now, I would like to introduce my colleague, Jason Halstone. Jason is a program director in the computer and Network Systems division within the Size directorate and one of the team members in the semiconductor working here at Nsf:

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Nadia El-Masry: Ah, Giza,

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Jason Hallstrom: thank you, Nadia. Today we're going to provide an overview of the fuse to solicitation. This is nsf twenty, four, five to one, and we're going to give you a chance. Towards the end of the Webinar today to ask any questions you might have. It's important throughout the Webinar today to keep in mind that the Webinar is not a substitute for the solicitation. The solicitation, of course, remains the definitive standard for any information related to C two, and of course we encourage all of our attendees to to read the solicitation

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Jason Hallstrom: As Tony mentioned. Fuse two is a multi-division multi-directed program, and we're pleased today to be joined by colleagues from E and G. Mps Guys meeting you and Tip, you should feel free to reach out to any of the participating program directors that you see on the slide here that are listed within the solicitation. But we ask you to please use the email address,

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Jason Hallstrom: fuse one at Nsf. Gov. And of course we encourage you to review the funding portfolios across the participating divisions and directorates to help. Better contextualize your proposed work,

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Jason Hallstrom: and I just do want to point out one more time, and i'll point it out again toward the end of the Webinar that it is not a typo to reach us. It is fuse one at N,

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Jason Hallstrom: as You all know, semiconductor technologies already play central roles in our daily lives from computing and telecommunications to health care, and that set of application areas continues to grow.

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Jason Hallstrom: The Us. Has long been a leader in the area of semiconductor, particularly on the R. And D. Side, and there are many new opportunities to expand this leadership position and to address key semiconductor challenges both nationally and globally.

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Jason Hallstrom: The main driver behind the Chips and Science Act is the observation that semiconductor technology and innovation are critical to the economic growth and national security of the Us.

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Jason Hallstrom: We need significant help from our research community, both academia and industry to tackle these challenges

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Jason Hallstrom: in response to the Chips and Science Act, Nfs put out two solicitations, both under the name of future of semiconductors. We're going to refer to those excuse one and choose two for short, the former with a collaboration between the Nsf. And four industry partner, Erickson, Ibm. Intel, and Samsung.

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Jason Hallstrom: The current solicitation is a modification of the former. This is twenty, four, five, two, one. It is again a collaboration between and Nsf. And industry, namely, Erickson, Intel, Micron, and Samsung

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Jason Hallstrom: at the highest level of abstraction. The goal of the fuse program is to cultivate a broad coalition of researchers from across science and engineering communities to utilize a holistic co-design approach to fundamental research, education and training challenges and to ultimately enable rapid progress in new semiconductor technology,

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Jason Hallstrom: we expect that this collaboration between the and and our industry partners will help to accelerate the translation into practice of technological innovations that are developed under this program

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Jason Hallstrom: for clarity. This is actually the the third two solicitation. The first was launched in twenty two, and that was focused on teaming specifically the development of new fuse teams. The second was launched in two thousand and twenty three, as I just mentioned, with a focus on holistic Co-design,

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Jason Hallstrom: importantly fuse two the current solicitation is wholly independent of the former solicitation. So applicants are not required to have participated in either of the preceding rounds of fuse

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Jason Hallstrom: with the chips and science, to act as motivating context. The key goals of the fuse. Two solicitation are threefold in their complementary.

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Jason Hallstrom: First, the solicitation seeks to advance research and development in semiconductor technology, exploring new materials processes and designs for future devices and systems. And as we're going to reiterate throughout the Webinar today, co-design is a central theme of this solicitation.

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Jason Hallstrom: Second, the solicitation seeks to advance interdisciplinary education and workforce development, to prepare the next-generation semiconductor workforce.

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Jason Hallstrom: And finally, the solicitation seeks to enable the translation of fundamental research advancements into applications into societal impact. Our industry partners, of course, play a central role here, helping us to better understand the semiconductor ecosystem and the specific challenges that are based by industry.

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Jason Hallstrom: So please do keep these goals in mind while developing your proposals.

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Jason Hallstrom: To put a finer point on this, the division's, directorates, and the industry partners refuse to were collected with some intention. The vision of the program is to translate foundational research into products and solutions that benefit society and drive economic growth consistent with the chips and scientists,

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Jason Hallstrom: P and G size, Mps and me. You, on the left-hand side are responsible for supporting fundamental research and education activities conducted by Rpi and our colleagues in tip are responsible for facilitating a handshake. The coordination with our industry. Partners on the right hand side,

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Jason Hallstrom: who have a better understanding of market needs and challenges.

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Jason Hallstrom: The goal is refused to form a ramp of opportunity from fundamental research to societal impact and commercialization overcoming the infamous value of death

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Jason Hallstrom: before we get into more details of the solicitation we'd like to give each of our four partners an opportunity to introduce themselves and to share their respective interest in the fuse program. I'll first turn it over to our partners for America.

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Ali Khayrallah: Hi, good morning, everybody. My name is Ali Kairara. I'm. With the advanced technology group of Erickson in Santa Clara, California.

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Ali Khayrallah: So it's my pleasure to be with you here today.

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Ali Khayrallah: Erickson, as you know, is a mainly a mobile infrastructure company and our areas of interest, I,

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Ali Khayrallah: our frequency systems, data converters, energy management, compute sensors. You name it. So we are very tightly connected with the semiconductor industry, and we rely very heavily on advances made by the semiconductor research and development.

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Ali Khayrallah: So why are we interested in this program?

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Ali Khayrallah: The evolution of wireless communication has been

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Ali Khayrallah: outpacing so-called Moore's law for decades and the way we have been cashing up is by semiconductor innovation.

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Ali Khayrallah: As you know, there's A. In the world of telecom. There's a next step which is referred to as sixg,

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Ali Khayrallah: which is expected to be deployed around two thousand and thirty, and this step will be no exception. It will require a lot of innovation in semiconductor to support the features that we're trying to develop.

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Ali Khayrallah: So Axon believes in an open environment where industry and academia and government can learn from each other. And we believe this fuse. Two program is an excellent vehicle. To do this,

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Ali Khayrallah: The second question is, What do we expect? The program to achieve?

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Ali Khayrallah: Accent believes this fuse to will will lay the foundation and develop destructive concepts that will enable the vision that we are developing in the telecom industry.

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Ali Khayrallah: It will be an opportunity to share visions and concepts between world-leading teams in industry and academia.

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Ali Khayrallah: It will strengthen the as talent pool in semiconductors, which is extremely important for the Us. And global.

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Ali Khayrallah: And the

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Ali Khayrallah: the third question is, What resources can we make available to the project. So, as you may know, we're a global company with a research organization, and we will engage researchers from the Us. And from other sites in selected projects. One

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Ali Khayrallah: we have, of course, as you can expect, many resources that test Chambers equipment lab resources that could also be considered based on the relevance and the availability. And

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Ali Khayrallah: Yeah, thank you.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Ali. Next our partners from Intel.

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Melissa Cowan: Hi, there, i'm Melissa Count. I'm a program director at intel um in our Port University Research office. Um, please be part of the few solicitation. So Intel is a semiconductor involving world changing technology for the lives of every person on the planet. We are inspired by Moore's law. We continuously work to advance and design and manufacture semiconductors, and our major scope scans across every layer of the technology staff

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Melissa Cowan: we are excited to be part of views as we look at views. There's really three really important outcomes that we're looking for one is to really develop a skilled and we're growing a skilled workforce at all levels for semiconductors. We are in this period of unprecedented kind of growth

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Melissa Cowan: within this semiconductor industry here in the Us. And so we're looking at really developing a pipeline of diverse talent at all levels from technician to engineers to research sciences.

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Melissa Cowan: You know very important within fees. We're looking for outcomes that can really reach into undergraduate classrooms as well as impact students at community colleges and enterprise.

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Melissa Cowan: We really want to empower the next generation of faculty. Educators and researchers in the semiconductor field encourage new faculty to take on semiconductor research and really look collaborative,

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Melissa Cowan: collaboratively with partners on how we address workforce needs. And then, finally, you know, technology, innovation, Um, advancing us semiconductor manufacturing leadership and and really um. We're interested within a few solicitation that this is a program that that encompasses multiple levels of the step. We have interest in the materials and the advice, technologies, um systems, integration, and packaging technologies of our particular interest to Intel as well as

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Melissa Cowan: you know, um new new architectures.

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Melissa Cowan: As we engage with with you. We We do plan to provide access to technical measures. We have expertise in all areas of use, so happy to identify collaboration um and maturation pathways with funded proposals. We can also explore access to Intel's University Shuttle program and compute environments for research and and access to student internship.

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Melissa Cowan: Thank you.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Melissa next our partners for Mycon.

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Mark Helm: Hello, everyone i'm Mark Helm. I'm a senior fellow at Micron meeting microns, pathfinding and strategy groups, as as Jason mentioned, Micron is a newcomer to the fuse program with the fuse. Two solicitation, and we're very excited to be a part of the fuse, two along with the Nsf. And the other industry partners.

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Mark Helm: Now, Now, micron being, you know, a leader in memory and storage, we will certainly bring additional interest in

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Mark Helm: how these critical components can really compute, to contribute to compute architectures of the future in innovative ways.

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Mark Helm: This might be, you know, further evolution of memory devices. It may be exploring new ways, that we more tightly integrate memory and compute for the future to provide nonlinear power, efficiency gains

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Mark Helm: several reasons why micron is now joining. You know the the cross-functional teeming approach that Nsf and the industry partners have used for the fuse programs really resonated with us as a key way to develop innovative concepts,

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Mark Helm: and the full stack approach being advocated are really where we need to be looking as an industry and a community.

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Mark Helm: As you know, point solutions are necessary, but they are insufficient in really providing the revolutionary games that we all are looking for. Now

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Mark Helm: we would like to see vertically integrated solutions come from the proposals from and from the awardes. Um, you know, although micron is a memory company, and and we are very interested in things like materials and devices. But we are also very interested in applications and software stack, and there's a very strong recognition that new concepts and memories are

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Mark Helm: need that level of support across the entire stack in order to be successful in the marketplace.

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Mark Helm: Um, with regards to support, when we are certainly very interested in in collaboration and guidance to the awardees. Um, you know, we micron has a very robust research experience across the stack that is part of the fuse to solicitation, and we hope to provide perspective that is valuable to the community of Awardes.

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Mark Helm: Under the right circumstances we can offer access to our R. And D capabilities in the Us. And of course we have very strong interest in your students for internships and and potential future career opportunities as well.

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Mark Helm: He

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Jason Hallstrom: thank you. Mark.

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Jason Hallstrom: Next are partners from Santa.

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Stephen Chae: Hello, everyone! My name is Steven Chair. I'm: from open innovation team and I'm. Currently located in San Jose, California.

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Stephen Chae: We have a many area of interest under the pews program. Next generation. Computing is the one of them, probably including scalable heterogeneous architecture. Also Hbc. Accelerator and quantum computing,

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Stephen Chae: and also we have ah interest on Ai for semiconductor industry device, heterogeneous integration, low energy, high density embedded the memory devices you or improve the memory technology. And also we have an interest on over enabling material devices and processes in a broader spectrum of a window. One

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Stephen Chae: while you're interested in Samsung is excited to partner in the huge sol station. Given the need for the strong investment in the basic and applied research and also workforce training that will accelerate future semi-conducted technology development.

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Stephen Chae: Ultimately it will lead to the broad, social, and associated, or benefit.

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Stephen Chae: What is the our expectation? And then what to achieve? We expect that the strong emphasis on co-developing across the computing stack, which is the essential element of the program, and it will identify you way to compute with high efficiency, speed, and density

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Stephen Chae: as well as a provide a significant advancement to existing computing technology.

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Stephen Chae: Lastly, what resources can you make available to the projects we actually look forward to engaging with the funded project to provide industry, insight, and also identify complementary collaboration, opportunity,

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Stephen Chae: as well as a facilitating knowledge exchange. Ah! Be a visiting Samsung researcher where possible, We also hope to find opportunity for other tangible types of engagement to support validation of the technology which developed under the fuse program.

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Stephen Chae: Thank you very much.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Stephen, And to just reiterate Tony's comments from the start of the Webinar. We are very grateful to our industry partners for their support of the fuse program and for their participation in the Webinar today. So thanks so much.

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Jason Hallstrom: We now come to the core of the fuse to solicitation, and we are we are going to focus on Co-design. Semiconductors can be viewed as a combination of technologies that are stacked at different levels, and these can be coarsely broken down into three key areas, material devices and systems

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Jason Hallstrom: in large parts. The research within these areas occurs mostly independent of the other aspects of the technology stack and the goal of its use. Ii program is to change that to support fundamental research, enabling co-design of semiconductor materials, devices, and systems that will propel us semiconductor, manufacturing and applications beyond the current bottleneck, while enabling new application areas in growing the semiconductor research and development. Talent Pool

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Jason Hallstrom: co-design is emphasized throughout the solicitation to encourage cross fertilization among broad areas of research sponsored by the Nsf. Supporting activities that do not fit well within individual programs.

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Jason Hallstrom: This calls for joint consideration of material device and system performance, as well as other aspects of interest, including manufacturerability, recyclability, environmental impact and other factors.

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Jason Hallstrom: Co-design represents the unification of the research and design fabric across these areas under a common Ah R. And D. Environment, tightly coupled with education and workforce development.

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Jason Hallstrom: The fuse. Two solicitation identifies three topic: areas topic, one collaborative research and domain-specific computing topic, two advanced function in high performance by heterogeneous integration and topic, three new materials for energy efficient enhanced performance and sustainable semiconductor-based systems.

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Jason Hallstrom: In thinking through how to architect a competitive fuse to submission. We encourage our pis to use this figure as a reference

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Jason Hallstrom: as noted earlier. The semiconductor technology stack can be roughly organized into three layers, banning materials, devices, and systems. You see these as verticals on the graph

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Jason Hallstrom: proposals must span at least two of these layers.

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Jason Hallstrom: Similarly, proposals must pursue at least one of the three topic areas across those layers. So, while a proposal may pursue multiple topics. Precisely one topic area must be identified as the primary topic area. So it's. Choose two across the top. Choose one or more along the the vertical

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Jason Hallstrom: education and workforce development activities should, of course, be closely integrated,

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Jason Hallstrom: so it may be useful to consider a a few potential instantiations of this architecture.

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Jason Hallstrom: The first case On the left-hand side of the slide we see a proposal that's focused on topic, one with work spanning devices and systems

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Jason Hallstrom: the middle. We see a topic two proposal that's focused on materials and devices. We

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Jason Hallstrom: topic rather. The third example covers materials and devices across topic, two in topic three. But importantly, only one topic has been identified as the primary topic in this case. Topic two.

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Jason Hallstrom: So we want to emphasize this point. Exactly One primary topic must be identified, and it must be identified within the title of the within the title of the proposal. Using this format fuse, two topic, one, two, or three, followed by the actual technical title of your proposal

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Jason Hallstrom: awards. In Fy twenty four will be up to two million dollars per award, for up to three years, of course, commensur with the scope and team size and the program seeks to fund collaborative research and education that transcends the traditional boundaries of individual disciplines to achieve program goals again by low-breaking.

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Jason Hallstrom: We're not going to spend some time just hitting the highlights of topic one two and thirty

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Jason Hallstrom: topic, one collaborative research and domain-specific computing seeks to increase performance, energy, efficiency, usability, sustainability, and other aspects of computing systems through co-design approaches, that leverage characteristics of specific domains, We encourage you to consider domain-specific in the broadest sense.

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Jason Hallstrom: Example domains of interest include application, domains, computing strategy, domains and technical rather technology domains. And there are several examples that are articulated within the solicitation

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Jason Hallstrom: topic two is focused on advanced function and high performance through heterogeneous integration with the goal of accelerating the adoption of advanced electronic memory platonic energy or sensing devices and components in semiconductor technology to enable cutting edge functionality.

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Jason Hallstrom: Examples include. But again, are not limited to heterogeneous integration and heterogeneous technology. Ingredients package, platform, heterogeneous integration and heterogeneous integration, system, design and characterization, technology

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Jason Hallstrom: topic, three new materials for energy efficient enhanced performance and sustainable semiconductor-based systems

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Jason Hallstrom: potential areas of interest. Again, examples. These are not prescriptive novel materials, or innovative combinations of materials enabling novel energy, efficient logic and or memory functions, including non-von neumann logic

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Jason Hallstrom: novel materials, or innovative combinations of material for next generation, interconnect heterogeneous integration in devices and packaging at relevant dimensions, materials to enable patterning with the next generation of extreme ultraviolet in high- numerical aperture, e uv. And moderately photoresists,

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Jason Hallstrom: as well as novel bottom of patterning approaches such as direct and self-assembly and finally the development of new characterization methods and or high resolution, imaging technologies for the characterization of materials at the electronic device or chip level, for example, electrical or thermal transport or defect mapping at the atomic molecular level in a functioning electronic device.

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Jason Hallstrom: As we said, education and workforce development activities serve a central role in fuse two and must play a central role in all successful fuse. To submiss these activities are expected to be tightly integrated with the proposed research activity.

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Jason Hallstrom: All proposals must include within the broader impact description a section titled Education and Workforce Development Plan, which must articulate education and workforce development goals, plans for recruitment, retention and graduation of students from underrepresented groups.

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Jason Hallstrom: Now we're going to briefly review the mechanics of the solicitation. There are no letters of intent or pre-procals required or accepted for this competition. All full proposals are due by March fourteenth, two thousand, and twenty four no later than five Pm. Local time proposals can be submitted either through research that

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Jason Hallstrom: and a submission deadline. An Api copi or senior personnel must hold a tenured or ten year track position, or a primary full time paid appointment in a research or teaching position, with exception granted for family or medical leave, as determined by the submitting institution

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Jason Hallstrom: The awards will be issued as either standard or continuing grants. The total available budget for this program is forty million dollars. We expect to award approximately twenty awards, under the solicitation with each award providing up to two million dollars of support for a period of up to three years.

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Jason Hallstrom: Of course, the number of awards, size, duration, et cetera, will dispense will depend on the responsiveness of the solicitation, and it's always subject to the availability of funds.

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Jason Hallstrom: We've covered again some of these points already, but they're important enough that we're going to repeat some of them. Here, Please read the solicitation carefully. Non-compliant proposals will be returned without review. And We just. We really hate to do that. So we're going to really hammer on this point.

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Jason Hallstrom: Pis must hold primary full-time paid appointments in research or teaching positions at us-based campuses individuals with primary appointments at for-profit, non-academic organizations, or in overseas branch. Campuses of us institutions of higher education are not eligible.

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Jason Hallstrom: An individual may appear as p iii or a senior personnel on only one fuse, two proposals, although there is no limit on the number of proposals for organizations, so we could have two separate pis, two separate faculty members from an academic institution to apply that permissible.

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Jason Hallstrom: This solicitation allows only a single proposal submission with sub awards that are administered by the weed organization

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Jason Hallstrom: proposals responding to this solicitation must include a project, management and collaboration section. It must address the following: The need for sustained support of a multidisciplinary team using a convergence research approach.

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Jason Hallstrom: Again, every proposal must select at least one topic area spanning at least two layers of the semiconductor technology stack.

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Jason Hallstrom: A single primary topic area must be identified in the project title, using the required format and the topics and layers addressed by the proposal must be captured in the very first sentence of the project summary.

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Jason Hallstrom: broad collaboration is encouraged by the solicitation spanning academic institutions, industry, partners, national laboratories, and other organizations. And while all of these organizations are eligible to participate. There are funding restrictions, some of which we've already touched upon.

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Jason Hallstrom: submissions from escort states, and jurisdictions, as well as minority-serving institutions historically black colleges and universities. Hispanic-serving institutions and tribal colleges and universities are encouraged

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Jason Hallstrom: proposals are encouraged to leverage leverage other activities and resources, including existing collaborations and programs, such as Ahrus, Ahs, and others to broaden opportunities and expand participation.

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Jason Hallstrom: The national science foundation is committed to advancing diversity, equity, and inclusion, and creating opportunities for everyone everywhere. Finally, industrial collaborations may be supported through the Nsf building mechanism in conjunction with this solicitation, and we encourage folks who are interested in pursuing that option to review carefully

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Jason Hallstrom: full proposals will be reviewed according to the Standard and Nsf. Merit Review criteria, using the Standard and Ss review process which most attendees today are familiar with

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Jason Hallstrom: the standard merit, review criteria apply intellectual merit. Criterion encompasses the potential to advance knowledge, the technological advancement of scientific advancement

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Jason Hallstrom: these are the fuse, two specific review criteria that reviewers will be asked to specifically evaluate the proposals again. And of course, not all questions are relevant to all proposals

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Jason Hallstrom: does the project identify an overarching foundational problem which requires a co-design approach

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Jason Hallstrom: does the proposal identify an integrated, multidisciplinary research agenda that defines the roles of all participants, and is the composition of the multidisciplinary team appropriate for the scope of the proposed activity

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Jason Hallstrom: importantly. Fuse to industry, partners, erickson intel Micron and Samsung may not participate in fuse two proposals in any manner. If a fuse to industry partner is included within a submitted proposal, it will be returned without review

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Jason Hallstrom: proposers are not restricted, however, for making use of widely accessible products or services of those fused to industry Partners

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Jason Hallstrom: All questions involving fuse to including participation of industry. Partners should be should be directed to the and Nfs at fuse one at and Nsf. Ah,

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Jason Hallstrom: and Nsf. Will, however, share some of the proposals which are under consideration for funding along with reviews and panel summaries and and Nsf. Will take into consideration the input of all Ts. To industry partners prior to making final funding decisions

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Jason Hallstrom: Importantly, Nsf. Will, however, retain final authority for making all award decisions, and finally, proprietary or privileged information that might be provided in the single copy documents. Section will not be shared with reviewers or industry partners

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Jason Hallstrom: post award and a step to administer the awards under the program. In accordance with Standard and Nsf. Policies and procedures, the fuse to industry. Partners will not oversee the activities or the use of funds provided to grantees,

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Jason Hallstrom: fuse to industry. Partners may make available direct contributions of resources. For example, software data sets computing infrastructure, but no awarding will be required to use any industry. Partners

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Jason Hallstrom: direct offered contribution. A fuse to industry partner may also arrange to fund its own personnel and as researchers to directly participate with Awardy project personnel. But these arrangements will be optional, and upon the mutual consent of the industry partner, and the respective awarding institution.

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Jason Hallstrom: awardes shall grant to the sponsoring parties a non-exclusive worldwide paid-up non-transferable, irrevocable royalty-free license to all intellectual property rights and any invention conceived or first reduced to practice in the performance of the program work under the funding agreement importantly. This is a non-exclusive license

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Jason Hallstrom: award. He shall grant the license to each industry partner named in the corresponding award letter, unless, of course, the industry partner opts to decline that license.

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Jason Hallstrom: This license shall not extend to Awardy's background Intellectual property That is what the institutions bring to the table.

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Jason Hallstrom: Intel Micron and Samsung will be named as sponsors for all awards in Erickson will be named as a sponsor in a partial kind of award.

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Jason Hallstrom: Finally, Awardes may delay the publishing of data and software describing inventions to first permit to filing a patent application

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Jason Hallstrom: following standard practice.

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Jason Hallstrom: Now the Webinar cover the main points of the fuse. Two program we want to emphasize again that the solicitation is the definitive source for all requirements of policy specific to this solicitation

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Jason Hallstrom: and the standard regulations that are captured in the Phpg. Apply, we ask all the proposers to please review both of those documents carefully,

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Jason Hallstrom: I realize it's a little bit unusual that this is the fuse to solicitation, and the email address is fuse one. So we ask you to just keep that in mind viewed one at Nfs go.

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Jason Hallstrom: So with that it brings us to the end of the Webinar, and we're now going to have a chance for attendees to submit questions, using the Q. And a panel feature in zoom. I'm going to give folks just a minute or two to go ahead and enter their question in the Q. And A. As they arise, and we're going to do our best to address as many as we can.

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Jason Hallstrom: We're fortunate to have many members of the fuse to team here on the zoom call today. So as questions come in, i'll direct those questions to the appropriate Pd. On the call.

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Nadia El-Masry: as we all know that this is allowed at Nsf. By submitting a goalie.

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Nadia El-Masry: And so I am just, you know, directing everyone to go to Nsf's website and look at the Goalie proposal rules and regulations as far as

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Nadia El-Masry: I'm asking any one of my colleagues who's running a core program to answer the question of the budget issue.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Daddy. So i'm going to begin to read the questions that they come in,

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Jason Hallstrom: and if they're short I will. I will address them directly, otherwise I will direct them to the appropriate Cd. So a number of folks are asking, Can a fuse Two proposal include collaboration with a national lab? The answer is, Yes, a national laboratory can be a collaborating partner. But there are restrictions on funding eligibility that are documented within the solicitation and within the

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Jason Hallstrom: Sharon? The next question i'm going to ask you to address. Can you give any guidance on how much system. Circuit prototyping with novel devices would be valued in the context of fuse two.

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X. Sharon Hu: um demonstrate the value or the contribution of a novel ideas, novel research ideas. It should not be just to have a prototype for the sake of prototype.

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Jason Hallstrom: Would you be able to share what fraction of submitted proposals were awarded in fuse one. I'm afraid that we're not able to share that information today.

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Jason Hallstrom: i'm working in a small business company as a staff engineer, and I would like to collaborate with the University professor to submit a proposal. The question is, Am I eligible to serve as a coup? I in the proposal or program?

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Michael Huff: Yeah, Thanks for the question. My understanding is that you can serve as a pi or copi. If you're affiliated with a university,

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Jason Hallstrom: Melissa, Melissa, Colin in town. The question is which universities are current participants of Intel University shuttle programs. Are they the teams from fuse, or does it have broader participants?

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Nadia El-Masry: Yes, uh, like hardware software. Code is an approach. Of course, you know it is uh under the topic one and at the same time. Uh it. It is considered a a an approach as an approach, therefore

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Nadia El-Masry: So again, i'm. I'm asking everyone to please label your proposal. Ah! The title as which topic area, and which stacks you are Ah! Addressing. Then, followed by the title of the

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Nadia El-Masry: manage your proposal, and put your proposal in a pen. So uh, may I allow you, you know, Am I allowed to to say what's topic? Okay, topic, one is going to size. The week two is going to be engineering and topic three is going to Mps.

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Jason Hallstrom: So this is a a question really for Micron and Samsung. I I believe I know the the answer, but of course invite our our colleagues to to correct me. If i'm wrong, the question is, Does Micron and Samsung provide access to their memory? Fabrication facilities confused to award needs? The short answer is,

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Charles Ying - NSF: Yes with the understanding that senior person now

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Charles Ying - NSF: he is now the piano copia.

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Jason Hallstrom: There seems to be restrictions on the involvement of industry partners in the proposal. Is it okay to mention that students will apply for internships at the industry partners as part of their workforce?

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Eleanor Sayre: Well, i'm happy to answer part of this, which is It's absolutely okay for your students to seek internships as part of their training.

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Eleanor Sayre: and we're pretty clear that you can't be having our industry partners as part of your proposal.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Nadia prem. The next question is for you.

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Jason Hallstrom: So it's used to consider test reliability and failure analysis for advanced packaging.

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Premjeet Chahal: Ah, make sure it cuts across the deck stack. The two text texts for sure. And also you're going to be careful as to which of the topics area you want to pick. For example, say, if you go to do reliability? Is it from materials point of view, or is it a different level? And which of the topics would you forward? The short answer is, Yes, it's allowed. But make sure you pick the two stack areas as well as the topic.

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Jason Hallstrom: Nadia. I'm going to. I'm going to send one more your way.

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Jason Hallstrom: Is there a preference for the collaborating companies that should be chosen for fabrication and packaging?

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Jason Hallstrom: Then can we pick other? That is non fuse to industry partners such as Tsmc:

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Nadia El-Masry: as you know, an unknown entity where you're going. However, if you're already have a fabrication facility that you are using. That's not one of the four industry partners you can identify.

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Jason Hallstrom: Charles I'm. Going to ask a question. You've touched upon this already. But there are still some questions coming in, so I want to give you another chance to hit on this, and the question is, if twofold um, if we collaborate with a national lab, how might they be funded? And then the second question connected is,

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Jason Hallstrom: if you have a pi at an Sfr. Dt.

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Jason Hallstrom: Who is also an adjunct at a local university. Can they propose?

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Charles Ying - NSF: Um! It's possible that the Uh. A graduate student, a postdoc or senior faculty could spend a small fresh on a time at the National Lab.

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Nadia El-Masry: That's you know. If this is, you know the concept. Just ask yourself. I'm collaborating with this lab. Is it federally fun?

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Jason Hallstrom: thank you, Nadia Michael. The next question is for you, and I sent you a message, a private message in chat as well. So the question is, Is there a single?

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Jason Hallstrom: It just jumped on me. Sorry. Is there a single place or a set of places

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Michael Huff: so you essentially you find out what they have to offer. If you're awarded, and then you have the ability to have contact with those industrial partners.

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Jason Hallstrom: can a fuse to P. I. I also serve as a reviewer for other fuse to proposals. The

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you. Naya. The next question is, Proposals can cover two topic areas. Should both of them be included in the proposal title? The answer is, No, Only the primary topic area must be included within the title.

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Jason Hallstrom: The next question I will ask Mark to address.

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Jason Hallstrom: Would it be fine and beneficial to have support letters from non-fuse to partners,

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Jason Hallstrom: and I i'm sorry mark. So the question is for Michael Tory. Would it be fine and beneficial to have support letters from companies that are not in the fuse too much.

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Jason Hallstrom: So the next question is, It seems that the transformative aspect of the and Nsf. Intellectual merit and broader impact criteria have been relaxed for this solicitation. Can you confirm or comment on the standard review criteria apply for both intellectual merit and broader impacts. They have not been weakened or loosened in any way.

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Jason Hallstrom: The next question is, is it considered an advantage for a proposal to cover multiple topics as opposed to at least two stack layer.

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Jason Hallstrom: So I invite any of the Pds on the call. To add to this, but the short answer is that we always punch to the pis on how best

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Jason Hallstrom: their proposal, if it makes sense for your particular proposal to span more than two topics. Absolutely. That's appropriate and permissible.

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Jason Hallstrom: Eleanor. Your your answer was so terrific i'm going to send a follow up on a on a related thread. So the question is, Can you provide guidance on how we should select a topic area given that the proposal might span more than one topic area.

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Eleanor Sayre: write a one-pager that says what you want to do and send it to us at fuse one and Nsf.

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Eleanor Sayre: And you can get some more specific feedback for the specific thing you were trying to do.

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Jason Hallstrom: Great, Thank you, Eleanor. The next question is for Nadia.

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Jason Hallstrom: Will this sub awardee from other universities be considered as a cocaine

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Nadia El-Masry: well, it depends on your budget how many Sub. I would. This you would like to add to your proposal. And so uh, yeah, I mean, you know the the the cover page openness that allows, I think, for a copy eyes. And so it it is really up to you how you you want to craft your proposal.

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ChunSheng "Sam" Xin: Yeah. I was just trying to type the audience first of all. Ah, the budget that can be eliminated. Ah, for the for the development and the education plan, and regarding the details I think about on. Ah, all the ah! This will be a ah live to the pi, so I will say, Ah, first of all, you will need to provide a innovative plan for workforce development and education. And really, regarding what kind of level details.

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ChunSheng "Sam" Xin: I think this will lead back to the Api's.

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Eleanor Sayre: As you write your project description, you are encouraged to um collect them all together into one section, so that we can clearly identify your education and workforce development plan which could reference other sections as appropriate.

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Jason Hallstrom: take them, take down all.

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Jason Hallstrom: So there are no additional open questions, so I think perhaps what we'll do is wait a minute to see if there are any other questions that may pop up

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Jason Hallstrom: before we close the Webinar, it will give everyone a chance to offer any additional questions you may have.

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Charles Ying - NSF: We have. We have also the many questions are in writing. If you think your question has not been fully answered, you may

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Charles Ying - NSF: us again,

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X. Sharon Hu: I think, at the end of the day. This is the fuse proposal, so it has to be focusing on this one of the the two of the three stacks that Jason has mentioned. The end application could be one application. It could be a broad application domain. Either one is fine, but for one application I think you need to justify that application is really an important and critical application.

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X. Sharon Hu: So think about the impact, the transformative impact that the proposal will have.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you,

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Nadia El-Masry: Of course there are no penalties for having

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Nadia El-Masry: logical proposal that have a co-designed approach and identify topic areas and technical stacks that make sense.

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Nadia El-Masry: Of course, you know the level of funding. It depends on the the efforts that are proposed.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thanks, Nadia. Next question

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Nadia El-Masry: it is part of the fifteen pages. That's right. It is part of the fifteen pages. The The answer to that one is, is the yes. Oh, no, I can't remember how it was raised. It is included in the fifteen. It is. Those are not separate documents

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Charles Ying - NSF: Ah! So the earlier we discussed about the Fsr. Dc. And then our such as Ah laboratory operate for the diploma. And if there is a scientist at the Ffrbc

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Charles Ying - NSF: ah! Such as you know a deal lab and with primary appointment at the A university with secondary appointment at at such an organization. And that's scientists with primary appointment at University in the Us. University can be A. P. Iii. And our senior personnel

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Jason Hallstrom: Thanks, Charlotte.

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Jason Hallstrom: So, Eleanor, I see you answering the current question. Would you like to answer that in real time?

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Eleanor Sayre: Sure. So the question here is, um is review location determined by which we choose as a primary track um size, Mps, or engineering and determined is a strong word.

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Eleanor Sayre: Your primary choice is highly suggestive of where it will go, but it could be that we um as we read your proposal, and as we read, or everybody's proposals, then we do some shuffling around to make sure that each panel is intellectually

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Nadia El-Masry: uh, Let me add, Eleanor, that uh, you know, after Api, the size which topic area he wants to apply to, that comes to us. And so among ourselves, we will decide that. Yes, the proposal falls into this category or no, it is stronger in a different public area,

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Eleanor Sayre: Yeah, make good choices to help us do good sorting, but also we do the sorting, not you.

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X. Sharon Hu: I think there may be also a little confusion there. What do we mean by track, and what do we mean by topic? So you are. You have to cover two plus tracks, but the topic area. You have to have only have one primary outfit area, and we typically, in general typically based on the topic area to assign

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X. Sharon Hu: which directly they those do, but it's not always right. But that's that's basically give us a guideline. However, you do have to cover two tracks, so make sure you know the difference between topics and tracks. Don't. Confuse the two.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you.

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Jason Hallstrom: So again we'll follow the same protocol. We'll wait a minute or two to see if there are any lingering questions folks may have.

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Jason Hallstrom: So there is. There is a question i'm not sure that I

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Jason Hallstrom: earlier. It was stated That topic one is size topic, two is engineering and topics three is Mp.

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Jason Hallstrom: Right? And P. Answering.

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Charles Ying - NSF: indicating topic two, and then most likely the proposal will be reviewing the panel organized by the gearing. But with, and that if you submit a proposal in top three. Most likely the proposal will be revealed in the panel organized by the Mps.

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Charles Ying - NSF: But Nsf. Reserved the right to make adjustment if it would look at a proposal. If you submitted a proposal to top one, and then we say, maybe it's best revealed in the engineering ah panel, we will reserve right to do so,

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Charles Ying - NSF: and the second, even those proposal is revealed in a particular in the panel organized by, for example, size. Ah, it's likely there will be some engineering approval and dog to be there, or if you're submitted. But you know, if it were both ah revealed in engineering, it could be sized. Pd. To be there on the

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Charles Ying - NSF: Okay. So each proposal need to cover at least two technologies that if you you know. For example, if it's submitted to top three, if you

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Charles. So the next question is, How do we allocate copies? If we're only allowed for? And the short answer is that we always defer to the proposing team to make those

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Jason Hallstrom: it is

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Jason Hallstrom: we defer to you. But it is typical for those with the most significant intellectual leadership in the program to serve as as copies.

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Jason Hallstrom: So the next question

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Jason Hallstrom: I'm. Going to ask Nadia to address

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Jason Hallstrom: it was just stated that we should clearly distinguish the track that is stack levels from topics, that is, that we should address the late. We should make it clear which layer and which topics we're addressing. The problem is that the slide from last year Also point out that there is an option to have one topic plus two layer. Correct

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Jason Hallstrom: two topics, plus two layers. Also correct.

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Jason Hallstrom: Can you clarify

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Nadia El-Masry: topic area when you're writing a proposal? You know exactly where you want your proposal? Go to? And as far as having more than one topic area. Most probably there is a strength of the proposal that you are writing. Where is the topic? So

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Nadia El-Masry: the clue here is the topic air.

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Nadia El-Masry: So let you know if i'm writing that proposal. I would like to address, for example, a proposal that

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Nadia El-Masry: strongly materials, engineering,

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Nadia El-Masry: and so I would address that like novel materials, preparing new novel materials and allowing it to go all the way to device structure. So now we are doing two stacks, material and device.

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Nadia El-Masry: But we are addressing a novelty of the new material. Therefore you, I am addressing the topic free

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Nadia El-Masry: group type of proposals, which is materials.

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Nadia El-Masry: It is a

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Nadia El-Masry: devices and systems, and i'm going to refer to Pram to correct me if i'm incorrect, we're talking about topic two,

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Nadia El-Masry: all right. And so you just think from it. As far I I can understand that that would be more than one copy. I have the strength in different topic areas.

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Nadia El-Masry: So that's why you should identify which topic area you would like to address, even though if there are both of them are strong.

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Nadia El-Masry: You're going to leave that decision to us

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Nadia El-Masry: where that proposal will go

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Nadia El-Masry: and pray me if you would like that.

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Premjeet Chahal: Now that is correct, Nadia.

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Premjeet Chahal: So I mean just for everybody understanding. The goal is that we want your proposal to be reviewed fairly, and we have the right experts in the panel for that, and that is the goal. So if you know where where you feel. It should feel that helps us to get there then eventually, and the panel is going to be in traditional. So

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Premjeet Chahal: you know it's reviewed fairly, and they are experts in that panel. That's the key goal.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you, Brian. Thank you, Nadia.

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Jason Hallstrom: So I can see that we're beginning to have attendees log off, and so I think that folks have exhausted the set of questions that they may have had. Of course, if there are questions that arise after the close of the Webinar, you should feel free to reach out. We're here to help. Please contact us and fuse one at Nsf. Gov.

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Jason Hallstrom: With that we're going to conclude the Webinar today. We're grateful for the time that you've invested into the fuse to program. Thank you for your interest. Thank you for attending the Webinar, and we wish you the best of luck in successful applications.

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Jason Hallstrom: Thank you for attending.