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Deep Medhi (NSF): We'll wait for another minute or so and be and then we'll get started.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Okay, I think. We'll get started welcome. Everyone to

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Diana's webinar for the so Cerc program we call it circans

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Deep Medhi (NSF): short form. It stands for community infrastructure

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Deep Medhi (NSF): for researching the size directorate.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): This is for the solicitation number 23, das 5, 89, and Circ used to be formerly known as Ccri

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Deep Medhi (NSF): there are a number of program directors involved with this program, and of course I'm 1 of them and lead the program. My colleague Mimi Mcclure, who is also in the Cns division like me, Cindy Bathel from Iis Division, Damian Decher from

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Ccf. Division, and also Jason Holstrom from the Cns Division.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So I'll start with overview of the start program and go over a few things and there will be time for Q&A at the end.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So the the basic idea is that to create and enhance

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Deep Medhi (NSF): world class, community research infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): We emphasize the word community because that's what this program is. For. It is not for individual researcher or for an institution. This is for shared resources that the community can use it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So we fund infrastructure for communities of researcher. They want to also has to do focused research agenda

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Deep Medhi (NSF): with focus in the size Directory.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): If it is beyond size. That's not the primary focus of this program.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): There could be secondary or very fair focus of, you know, interest in other directorate, but the primary has to be the size directorate.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Our definition of infrastructure includes equipment.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Tesbeth

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Deep Medhi (NSF): software

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Deep Medhi (NSF): data repairs your trace.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and the curation are

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Deep Medhi (NSF): creation or curation of data

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Deep Medhi (NSF): needed for science research.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): It could be even benchmark data set

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and test. But for verification and measurement purpose.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): it includes developing user services and engagement so as to attract and nurture and grow a robust resource community.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So the idea, again, is that

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that we assume that with the existing infrastructure that is available to the researcher.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): They are not being able. Our community has not been able to do the research. They want to do

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Deep Medhi (NSF): so. Intent of this program is to enable advances not possible with existing infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): There are 4 different project classes for this program. I'm going to

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Deep Medhi (NSF): go over them one by one.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): before I do that.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): What are the expectation? Do you have to provide a compelling new research opportunities for the community

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that's beyond the.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): As I said, our disorganization enable unique and compelling resource otherwise inaccessible to the community, it must have a vision for a

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Deep Medhi (NSF): future long-term community sustainability and operation.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): You must define metric relevant to the proposed goal and address measurement, evaluation of the infrastructure

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Deep Medhi (NSF): provide robust user services and support to the community.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Compared to the previous solicitation. That was about 2 years ago.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): We change the name I already mentioned. That

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Deep Medhi (NSF): will. Your pi limit has been increased to 2

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Deep Medhi (NSF): from one

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Deep Medhi (NSF): new category and sustainable eligibility is clarified.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Grant category now includes request to Internet Mism related resource, infrastructure which was mentioned. It

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Deep Medhi (NSF): solicitation 22 desk 5, 1, 9.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Cooperative agreement is a possible type of error type.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): We have limited the number of letters of collaboration to 5,

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and we have created and added a new track called Explorator Development Track. In short, I'm going to talk it, call it a dev track.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So let me go into the project classes and cover them up.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The grand community is the biggest one.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): This is for project that's more than 2 million dollars up to 5 million dollars.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and it can be for 5 years.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): You must develop a very significantly new innovative

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Deep Medhi (NSF): size, community resource, infrastructure or enhance and sustain an existing one.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): develop or enhance test bed and a platform with an integrated set of user services that enable size researchers to conduct research.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Well designed plan

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Deep Medhi (NSF): for involving the research community promote bold and emerging research direction.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you know, build the infrastructure that catalyze

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Deep Medhi (NSF): size, research and provide leadership. That's not possible. Otherwise.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Of course, diverse research community is very important as well as the training part of it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So this is the highest class that we have.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The medium category has actually 2 subcategories subtype. Basically it is from

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Deep Medhi (NSF): anything above $750,000 to 2 million dollars.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): It has a similar theme to the the grand category that we talked about, but it is a bit scaled down, develop new focus, infrastructure and gives associated research community as a part of the

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Deep Medhi (NSF): development and testing

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Deep Medhi (NSF): enhancement. So support significant enhancement of existing size, resource, infrastructure

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that been funded through variety of sources, including the cert program.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): program, to take you to the next level.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The 3rd category

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is Clara. That category. That's the new one. We added.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The the budget is between 200 and about 250,000 to 7 $50,000. This one is one important thing. It cannot be for more than 2 years long.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and we are important to

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Deep Medhi (NSF): because of the 2 year duration, we expect

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So basically, this is really to validate an unproven infrastructure

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Deep Medhi (NSF): design and technology does not quite raise an infrastructure. Yet.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): secondly, this project may help the foundation for future circ

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Deep Medhi (NSF): project, either the new category or the grand category or Mid scale. RI. 1, and RI. 2, which I'm going to talk about. Just to give you a broader picture of what other

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So then, the last category is called the class is called a planning

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Deep Medhi (NSF): category. This is where you are not even get getting to the level of the the Dev category that you want to do some planning activity. Identify the community. You want to do a few workshops to talk to the community. What do they like?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): I didn't, you know, to find out what is the priority of the community. That's really the intent of it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): It is a very small amount of budget. It's only 100 $100,000 for the

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Deep Medhi (NSF): planning c category, and up to 2 $50,000 for planning M category.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So what are the difference between these 2 sub classes planning C is that if you are going to plan and activities toward site grant or medium.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): not for enhancement, because enhancement been there already existed.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Infrastructure. Secondly, this planning is not worth doing a def category thing that I talked about in the previous slide. This planning is to be able to do the grand or the medium category. That means up to 2 million dollar range or the 5 million dollar

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Deep Medhi (NSF): planning M, we created this so that those who wanted to give go beyond the circ

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Deep Medhi (NSF): compete in the foundation level. 2 program called Mid-scale Resource infrastructure, one and mid-scale Resource infrastructure. 2.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): For that they can do have a little bit bigger planning

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Deep Medhi (NSF): award. They get to plan for that. It requires lot more activities related to that.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So let me quickly talk a little bit about the mid scale one and mid scale 2 program

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Deep Medhi (NSF): this is the most recent mid scale, one solicitation, Miss Scale, one has 2 different track, a design track that can be as low as 400,000

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Deep Medhi (NSF): up to 20 million dollars, and the implementation track, which is between 4 million dollars to 20 million dollars.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So the and Nsf definition of Ri is a combination of facilities, equipment, instrumentation.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): computation, hardware, software, and necessary human capital in support of the same

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Deep Medhi (NSF): May involve new or upgraded research infrastructure, but those are possible.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): For example, if you have got something funded under a sart program and the medium category, you may evolve to go to a mid scale. That's another reason why I'm mentioning this program.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): And the the

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Deep Medhi (NSF): important thing is that to to note about this is that this program requires a broad community buy-in. It's a necessary requirement for it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): There are no limitation from any institution to submit proposal

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Deep Medhi (NSF): mid scale is Nsf definition of the term between 4 to 20, maybe for mid scale one and from 20 to 100 million dollar for mid scale 2.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): It's again

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Deep Medhi (NSF): based on the budget. You can see it's a much bigger

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Deep Medhi (NSF): it doesn't have a design stage. So if you are planning to do a mid scale 2 at future, in the future, you want to do design. You have to submit the design project under mid scale one which allows you to do that.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): I want the Circ community to be aware of this to very important program. And in the. We have been fortunate that several projects have been funded under the mid scale, one and 2 to the Sark community over the last 4 years.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): in terms of going back to sort. These are the numbers. I'm not going to repeat the numbers. You can see it on the screen.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Try to give you an idea about how many awards that we anticipate. In each of the tracks that we have classes we have.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): There's a 24 million dollar budget each year for this project. And obviously, as you can see, that we don't give too many grand awards. Very limited. And

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Deep Medhi (NSF): again, Grant doesn't mean all projects are 5 million dollars. There might be a few only, maybe 2.5 million dollars.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So maximum 3 that we typically do it medium about 12. So Dev track is a new track. We're exploring it. Maybe we said 3. Maybe it could be a few more.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): One important. Another important thing is, the medium is a 3 year project they have again repeating, in 2 year grand can be up to 5 years.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and the planning is actually shorter. Window up to 1.5 years for planning C and 2 years for planning M.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The next deadline is September 13, th which is

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Deep Medhi (NSF): less than 2 months away.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): I can submit as a pi copi senior person.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): 2 dev video more grand proposal per year. It can support one planning proposal per year. There's no

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Deep Medhi (NSF): But multiple proposal as long as you follow that cap

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Deep Medhi (NSF): let me go to the review criteria

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Deep Medhi (NSF): the basic review for intellectual merit and broader impact that you probably are already familiar with it. This is the National Science Port guideline that was given almost 30 years back.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So I'm gonna hit on a few points here and then talk about in the context of what it means for a research infrastructure program.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So if you know, intellectual merit said, is it going to advance? Knowledge?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Is the proposed activities, not understanding within its own field, or different feel? To what extent did the proposed activ and original

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Deep Medhi (NSF): or pretend transformative concept?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So is it well reasoned? Are the team well qualified? Are there educate resources available to the pi.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So having said that, I give couple of example

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Deep Medhi (NSF): under the new or enhanced category, what that means. So, since it is resource, infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): what I said, how important the proposed plan to create and enhance a successful community resource infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): innovative research. So, going back to what we talked about in the 3rd bullet here that the infrastructure may not necessarily itself be fully totally innovative, but it allows

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you, too.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): allows researchers to use it for innovative research so

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Deep Medhi (NSF): it could have some innovative component as a part of the infrastructure. But allowing it is the also very important. So I gave 2 example to kind of

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Deep Medhi (NSF): connected back to the Nsp guidance for intellectual merit.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): the broader impact obviously benefit to the society. As you know, this is a community infrastructure. So benefit to the society, how it will be used, how you are going to train, the students will be able to learn from it. Those are all important, any kind of educational thing you're going to create. Those are all important.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Beyond that each of the categories have some solicitation, specific review criteria.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): planning categories. We look at the soundness of the planning process and activity compelling new

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Deep Medhi (NSF): opportunities it fits within the size, core discipline, evidence of community need as an impending community involvement for planning M. Will this infrastructure be of national important? And does it address the goal of the mid scale research infrastructure program. So I encourage you to read the mid scale program solicitation

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is the project management sound

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is there adequate metric. So that's it. Planning. Remember, planning category is for one to do planning activities. So the metric are could be a little bit not as

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Deep Medhi (NSF): exploratory dev again, sound as an up design, prototyping, and validation very important the necessity of doing this versus an existing method.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): our technologies that will immediately go to the infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): And are you also doing some engagement of their 11 communities. Does it? Do you think this is going to lead to compelling new research and education law

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Deep Medhi (NSF): so metric for success? You want to say in the dev category what it is going to be.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Again, I want to emphasize that instead of us dictating the metric.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): we are letting the pis provide that.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): And then, you know, we look at, and the the panel looks at it and see if it is relevant, because

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Deep Medhi (NSF): size community is still pretty broad. So what is a good metric for one particular type of infrastructure may not apply to another one. That's why we do not provide any specific guidance.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): But if you have some

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Deep Medhi (NSF): question during the Q. And a. I'm happy to do that

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Deep Medhi (NSF): solid station specific criteria for mid medium or the new category. This is up to 2 million dollars

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is the infrastructure essential for research agenda to move forward

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Deep Medhi (NSF): it does it fit within the size, core discipline.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): How about is it the newness of the infrastructure or differentiation from existing infrastructure?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): This is where I want to point out very one important thing. I strongly encourage the pis to see if we have funded any research infrastructure in the area that you are planning to propose.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): because we expect you to discuss

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that how this is different from existing resource, infrastructure that either already exists or we already have funded it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): But it is in the process of being created. As a, you know.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): infrastructure. So this is the parallel I draw to is that when you write a paper academic paper you always have a related work section. So it will be similar to saying that related infrastructure section and differentiate it. What it is

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Deep Medhi (NSF): we expect the present team to prepare to develop and provide service and support project management is very important. Quality of the community outreach when is important, plan for community involvement is important. You know, the metric is also very, very important.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Can this program purchase research, equipment and facilities? What are the major difference between this program and MRI.

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Jason Hallstrom: Sure deep. I'm happy to to take a shot at it. So I the short answer is that it's going to depend where you are in the development of that data repository.

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Jason Hallstrom: If you are in the early stages of designing that repository and you're going to be soliciting community needs, you're going to be trying to understand what the repository ought to include. That would be a planning proposal.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So then, what you might, did you want to budget on your project, saying that we are going to have couple of training workshop where we're going to fly in grad students or faculty to attend the training on our site, so they learn how to use it, but once they learn it, they are going to be back at their institution, can remotely log into

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Jason Hallstrom: Sorry. So I'll just add that on the and one of the things that panelists spend quite a bit of time talking about thinking about, and we spend time thinking about

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Jason Hallstrom: when you're putting in a new application or an enhanced sustain. We are looking to see a very clear explanation of the community that will be served that can be demonstrated in different ways. Certainly the letters of collaboration can help. But there are other mechanisms you can point to. If you're looking at enhanced sustain.

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Jason Hallstrom: you can point to evidence of use, evidence of outcomes that were generated using the infrastructure and so on. But if you're looking a little bit earlier in the development of the infrastructure at kind of the planning stage.

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Jason Hallstrom: and we expect to see a very clear plan for how you're going to reach the community, how you're going to onboard the community. How you plan to to to really assess community buy in in shaping your infrastructure plan, moving forward so would encourage proposers to to think about that carefully, and to to articulate

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Jason Hallstrom: the need for the infrastructure, the community that will be served, and your specific plans for engaging the community in the case of planning during the planning process, and in the case of a new proposal throughout the lifetime of that infrastructure, how will they be supported and engaged?

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Cindy Bethel: I would agree with that very strongly. I think that is often kind of not articulated well is.

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Cindy Bethel: how will? What is the community. And how will you engage with them? I see that a lot actually, in the planning grants. I was kind of surprised because that's the big, the big focus of the planning. Grant is bringing the communities together, and they talk a lot about what the I, the infrastructure, is going to be. But they don't tell how they're going to engage the community. And I think that's a common

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Cindy Bethel: challenge that think carefully about how you're going to do that, and what what effort you're going to put into that, and then make sure you budget for that because we had situations this time where people had all these big plans, but then they didn't have any money in the budget to actually implement them or carry them out. And I was like, Wait a minute, great ideas. But how are you? Gonna what are you gonna use to do? It.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Exactly great, great point. I want to add. One more thing about the proposal is that that I have heard in the panel? I said, they said, wait a second. This looks like there's a lot of R, and this still needs to be done, you know, to get the infrastructure ready.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): That's not a good sign. If it is, we don't have a percentage per se. A little bit of R&D is okay, that okay? But there's a more focus to that. This is what is going to be. We need to just do this part. But if it looks like there are too much R. And D. Too much uncertainty, is there? Then it is not an infrastructure project. Then you need to submit to our size core program as a research proposal there rather than to this program. So

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that's another comment. Common comment we hear

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Deep Medhi (NSF): at the panel. Secondly, although we have a wide range within each category. So let me pick the medium category.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): 7 $50,000 up to 2 million dollars. You don't have to. It's not like a research proposal. You don't have to fill up 2 million dollars. It's okay to have $800,000 resource infrastructure because we have funded it. It's not because we cut their budget, because that's what the Pi requested, and that's what it is, and we can give right guidance to the panel, saying that, look, it's in a media proposal, but the budget is 800,000, and

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Deep Medhi (NSF): accordingly we need to calibrate your rating. Don't compare it to what is somebody's requesting a 2 million dollar range so or 5 million dollar range. So we give proper guidance to the panel to be able to sort of

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you know, to to see that. So do what is right for the budget. Don't just try to fill it up. You may have a grand category of 2.5 million. That's okay. You know it doesn't. You know you can do it that way.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Sometimes I get a comment. Well, we cannot fit everything to 2 million in the new, I said, go to Grand. Do 2.5 in your budget, you know you don't have to. You are not limited that way, so you can go there. I. In the meantime I saw a couple of more questions they want to check about, and hence is different from sustain.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The answer is. Yes, we do not fund sustain there could variety of reasons for it. 1 1 of the reason is that we are in the technology field.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): You know everything changes. Your hardware changes in 2 to 3 years, you know, reigns even your laptop probably update every 3 years. So if you said that I'm going to run with something 10, you know, 5, 6 years old.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): The community may not be interested in using that at all. So that's what where the we, our view of the

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Deep Medhi (NSF): sustainability falls within the enhancement topic that you're going to continue to provide the functionality to the community. But you're going to announce to a new equipment, or whatever new services that you are going to use it, so that the community can benefit from

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Deep Medhi (NSF): our collaborator color. Very important for planning proposal. Now.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you do not actually need any collaborate letters of collaboration for planning proposal. Good question. Very good. Very good question. Yes.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So that's all we have so far. we'll hang around for maybe another couple of minutes in case new questions come up, that then we can actually go from there.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): In the meantime I saw one more question. If the support for research related to the engagement with the community, and

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Deep Medhi (NSF): how the how to facilitate

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Deep Medhi (NSF): because it's important. Can that be included in the proposal.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Jason? How would you answer that question?

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Jason Hallstrom: So deep. I'm not sure that I that I'm following the question. So let me let me try to see if I can understand. So

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Jason Hallstrom: if the support for the research relates to the engagement with the community.

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Jason Hallstrom: and how to facilitate exchange of information.

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Jason Hallstrom: can that be included in the proposal? I'm I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't quite understand the question, and if the question is asking.

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Jason Hallstrom: I'm afraid I don't know what the question is asking. I'm afraid I can't answer it.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): That's where I was also struggling a little bit. Because

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is it exchange of data or knowledge? Because.

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Jason Hallstrom: So it it preferred, perhaps.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Data by itself is not an infrastructure in a repository is our infrastructure. As I said before.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): so I'm not quite sure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): exactly the intent of that question so.

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Cindy Bethel: I'm not, either. But I'm wondering if the support for the research.

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Cindy Bethel: This is really not about the research. So that's part. I think that's partly confusing as well. But if you're engaging the community, you can.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Will put into your.

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Cindy Bethel: Into your budget.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Explanation from sorry Cindy. Explanation from the same person on the the question. If you read the last part.

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Cindy Bethel: Would be around how the community better use the infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): That would be part of your community engagement. I think it is not anything different.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you know. So that's why.

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Cindy Bethel: It could be that you are, you know, putting money in for a conference or a workshop, that you are bringing these communities together to determine what the needs are, and maybe exchanging and sharing information as part of that

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Cindy Bethel: could be a way that you could do that.

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Cindy Bethel: That's so.

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Jason Hallstrom: Maybe I'll just add, if if this was part of a of a new, of a new or an enhanced proposal

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Jason Hallstrom: we we would expect that throughout the lifetime of that infrastructure as Deep said as part of your community engagement, that you would be continuously assessing how effectively the community is able to access and use your infrastructure.

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Jason Hallstrom: and using that to inform continuous improvement to the design of the infrastructure over time, so that kind of activity would, would certainly be allowed. But we would view that as assessment and improvement rather than research into how the community might better use infrastructure at large.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Great. Thank you.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Could you expand on the suggestion for the core program instead of this?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): So I think what I was saying is that if it's a lot of R&D,

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that's not an infrastructure creating an infrastructure. That's a

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Deep Medhi (NSF): program that nor size regular core program which allows research and development itself, but to go submit it to instead of submitted to infrastructure.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Sometimes in the mind of the Api that line is blurry.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and if that's the case. You are welcome to contact one of us to have a conversation first, st so to see what

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Deep Medhi (NSF): what it is where does it fit in. And so we are happy to help you there

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Deep Medhi (NSF): again. I want to point out that we also created the new exploratory development track, the Dev track. So maybe it fits there.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): or what do you have in mind? So keep that in mind as well. So that's something to you know. Think about

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Cindy Bethel: I think it's a good idea to just

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Cindy Bethel: when you are coming up with your ideas put together a 1 page, white paper or summary that you can send to each of us or to one of us, and then we can pass it on to the others.

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Cindy Bethel: Of what your ideas are, and we can give you a pretty quick feedback on whether this is a fit for the program or not.

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Cindy Bethel: I think that we are here as a resource for you, and you know we're happy to to give you that kind of feedback, and I think that saves everybody in the long run a lot of time and effort by just sending us a 1 pager, and let us, you know.

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Cindy Bethel: talk about whether this seems like you're trying to advance the research project, or you're trying to set up an infrastructure that you may use. But others will definitely the community would use.

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Cindy Bethel: That's the primary difference between the core program and the circ program is that we're looking to establish an infrastructure that's used by many.

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Cindy Bethel: Hopefully, many versus. The core program is looking to advance a specific research topic area kind of aspect of it. And so we can answer those questions pretty easily and quickly, just by giving us a summary of what it is you're trying to accomplish.

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Jason Hallstrom: And that's the outbreak.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Go ahead, Jason!

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Jason Hallstrom: I was just going to add that maybe another way to look at it is that when you are going to begin a new infrastructure project.

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Jason Hallstrom: If there are many unknowns

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Jason Hallstrom: that is probably not an infrastructure project.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Correct. That's that's a great way to saying Jason's summarizing it. You know. Too many unknowns is not

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Deep Medhi (NSF): and not a good. The other important thing. I want to point out that we actually kind of

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Deep Medhi (NSF): the the start program in the sense that, philosophically, what we are thinking within the directorate is that there are certain resources not possible as a single pi to have your own whole infrastructure and stuff to do the kind of work you want to do. This is where the start program is very important cause, then we create something that enabled us to do

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Deep Medhi (NSF): new research that you are not able to actually

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Deep Medhi (NSF): do it. So in your start. Pro sorry in your core pro proposal, you might say that this is my research. By the way, there is this infrastructure that sarc funded that will enable me to do the the new re results that we are going to be able to find it sort of that interesting connection you can draw there.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): In the meantime, I saw one other could do current active award. For example, size, core cancel, Diaz. Elicit eligibility for

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Deep Medhi (NSF): sorry. No, these are 2 separate program. We don't. We don't mix it up in terms of the eligibility from one program to another one. So that's where it is

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Deep Medhi (NSF): the last. I'm a 19 year old computer science student with experimental software. And I'm currently working on a startup that aims to

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Deep Medhi (NSF): revolution as the healthcare sector by leveraging AI and machine learning to improve healthcare system. Is that a good infrastructure part.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Is it worth?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Well, I mean the there are a couple of aspects about it. Healthcare is, of course, important.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): an important point about National Science Foundation is that

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Deep Medhi (NSF): it is it doesn't handle any clinical side of it that belongs to Nih National Institute of Health.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): We only handle non clinical science and engineering. That's the charter of Nsm, so within that if there is something that

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you know that is proposed that can be considered within the program. I want to clarify that

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Deep Medhi (NSF): that the project can be only sub submitted by somebody who has a

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Deep Medhi (NSF): primary appointment as a as a research faculty or a tenure track faculty

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Deep Medhi (NSF): at an institution. So that's important to note. So hopefully, you can, you know, collaborate with somebody to be able to submit something, or what you have in mind. Again going back to what Cindy said. If you put one page or summary, we can look at it and give you feedback. Whether this is a

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Deep Medhi (NSF): you know, right fit for what you have

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Deep Medhi (NSF): is the right fit for this program?

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Very good. We're almost at the end of the hour.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): If there are no other questions, I think we'll close it here. Thank you again for joining, and again, if you have any question, shoot us an email. By go, you know, our email are there? And

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Deep Medhi (NSF): one of us would address because we handle different aspect from a topical area. So we circulate it. And very important thing.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Do not send the same email separately to each of us. That's no, no, please, if you want to copy all of us. We're fine, but if you send it to each of them, we didn't send exchange to each other. And they say what happened. I got the same email, too, that comes up often. Please don't do that. Just send it to one of us, or send it to copy to all of us. Then we'll respond and thank you very much.

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Deep Medhi (NSF): Okay, alright.

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